History of the World #phoenicians

Introduction to 'The history of Britain & the world. Marquis Le Dain.
One tweet at a time: What is History
work in Progress.

Irelands link to Chaldea 

Britain's link to Phoenician Traders 

The Laws of  King Dyfnal Moel Myd (Dunvallo Molmutius), who reigned in the 5th-4th centuries BC


History has always been subject to reigning monarchs especially in Britain's case.

Ever since the sax gotha House of Hanover arrived in Britain, their scribes have been whittling away at British ancient history, and now 400 years later they have totally incorporated themselves into English ancient history. On wikipedia they have imagined a link stretching back to Ealfred.

In ancient times we are told that the Romans drove the Welsh Picts, Celtoi Gauls into Wales, that means that they inhabited England, But when we look at English Roman pre history we see no mention of the Welsh only Pagan tribes. Nor do we hear anything about the mythical Cimbri, who drove the Romans back slaughtering 250,000 in a single battle and slaying a Roman Emperor, a very similar story of Bran the Blessed, And a mirroring story of Arthur.

Our earliest Norman pagan Historians have contnued to be disected by christian scholars wishing to break the link to our pagan past.


The traveller's route from the Indian Paropamisus to the Baltic and the German Ocean may be studied in the collections of Diodorus. Britain appears in this book as "Elixoia," an island about as large as Sicily, lying in the Celtic Ocean in front of the mouths of a mighty river. 

The climate was so soft that the crops ripened twice in the year. There are several allusions to the insular worship of the sun, the phenomena of the arctic climate, and the habits of the northern savages, which are all deserving of attention, as will be seen from the following extracts from Diodorus and Pliny.

We will first deal with the temple, so often connected with Stonehenge, and with " the Boreads," in whose name has been traced an allusion to the power of the Bards. " There is in that island a magnificent temple of Apollo, and a circular shrine, adorned with votive offerings and tablets with Greek inscriptions suspended by travellers upon the walls. The kings of that city and rulers of the temple are the Boreads, who take up the government from each other according to the order of their tribes. 
 The citizens are given up to music, harping, and chanting in honour of the Sun.

" Every 19th year, we are told (with incidents which remind us of the folk-lore about the dancing of the Easter sun), the god himself appeared to his worshippers about the vernal equinox, and during a long epiphany " would harp and dance in the sky until the rising of the Pleiades."

Our next extract relates to the " happy suicides," and incidentally to certain barbarous customs which are stated to have prevailed at one time in the Baltic regions. 

Behind the Rhiphoean hills, and beyond the North Wind, there is a blessed and happie people, if we may believe it, whom they call Hyperboreans, who live exceeding long, and many fables and strange wonders are reported of them. 
In this tract are supposed to be the two points Or poles about which the world turneth about, and the verie ends of the heaven's revolution. For six months together they have one entire day, and night as longe, when the sun is cleane turned from them. Once in the year,' namely at our midsummer, when the Sun entereth Cancer,. the Sun riseth with them, and once likewise it setteth,' even in midwinter with us, when the Sun entereth Capricorn, The countrie is open upon the Sun, of a blissful and pleasant temperature, void of all noisome wind and hurtful aire. Their habitations be in woods and groves, where they worship the ; gods both by themselves and an companies and cojigregations. No discord know they. No sickness are they acquainted with. They die only when they have lived long enough: for when the aged men have made good cheere, and anoynted their bodies with. sweet ointments they leape off a certain rocke into the sea. This kind of sepulture is of all others the most happie."

We find a notice of the tradition in the Saga of Gottrek and Rolf. 
Here by our home," says the hero, "is Gillings-rock : we call it the family cliff, because there we lessen the number of the family when evil fortune comes. There all our fathers went to Odin without any stroke of disease. The old folk have free access to that happy spot, and we ought to be put to no further trouble or expense about them. The children push the father and mother from the rock, and send them with joy and gladness on their journey to Odin." The situation of several of these "Valhalla Cliffs" is said to be known in Sweden. The lakes, which stretch below, were called "Valhalla-meres" or "Odin-ponds."
During the events of 120 to 101 BC, where the Cimbri became the scourge of lands bordering on the Roman Empire, their tribal confederation included the Teutones and the Ambrones, and subsequently the Celtic Helvetii and other Celtic associates. The name Teutones is enigmatic, but most commonly assumed to imply “the people, tribe, or race” in Celtic languages (e.g., tuatha in Irish). Their other companions were the Ambrones, a Gallic tribe according to Festus. Amb- is a very common Celtic tribal and forename prefix. Markale (1976) wrote that the Cimbri, were associated with the Helvetii, and more especially with the indisputably Celtic Tiguri (p. 40). As will be seen later, these associations may link to an ancestry in common, recalled from two hundred years previous.

 Posidonius, an early chronicler of the Cimbri, who was 22 years old when they appeared on the world’s stage in 113 BC, gives verbal descriptions consistent with the visual details on the Cauldron. 

The Cimbri also venerated cauldrons (e.g., at the time of Augustus calling a cauldron their most “precious possession”), which, along with the above, clearly indicate characteristic Celtic not Gemanic cultural traits.

The meaning of the name Cimbri.


According to some sources, derives from kimme (rim) and thus “people of the coast”.  As will be described later, some consider that Cimbri =Cimmeri (the Cimmerians being an ancient people who “disappeared” from Western Asia about 800 BC).

There is a 600 or so year gap between the historical documentation relating to each, time enough for dialect changes although linguists view as likely Cimbri  changing to Cimmeri rather than the other way around via Grimm’s law with mb morphing to mm (Markale, 1976). Furthermore, there are different variants of Celtic, other than Q-Celt (e.g., Irish) and P-Celt (e.g., Welsh and Gaulish).
Those knowledgeable about the language(s) such as reported in the Encyclopedia Britannica 1911 state that what is found as an mm sound in Welsh would be mb in other forms of Celtic so that in Welsh “cymmer” is equivalent to “combor” in Old Irish (the latter on a time scale being an earlier version of Celtic) and means “confluence of brooks”.


Some sources note that the Welsh term for themselves is Cymri that in Brythonic (P-Celt) means, “companions” or “tribesmen”.  One expert offers an opinion that Cimbri might relate to Kom-roghes, which in General Celtic signifies, "the fellow countrypeople" (Gavin-Hauser, personal communication, 2007). This would perhaps relate to their status as kin to the Teutones who resided near them, were their allies in the famous campaign of 113 to 101 BC, and whose name means “the people” in all Celtic languages.


The Language of the Cimbri: 


That the Cimbri spoke a Celtic language is attested to by the reports of Pliny the Elder (circa 77 AD) who stated that Philemon wrote that, the Cimbris word Morimarusa means the Dead Sea, as far as the Promentory of Rubeas, beyond which they name it the Cronian Sea (“Naturalis Historiae”, Libri IV, xiii, line 95). The word “Morimarusa”, referring to the Baltic Sea, is composed of ‘muir’ and ‘marbh’ in Q-Celt Irish; ‘mor’ and ‘maro’ / ‘marw’ in P-Celt languages such as Breton and Welsh. Importantly, there is no Germanic word in any dialect that would even approximate these root elements (Wikipedia entry for “Cimbri”). Furthermore, Thierry (1828) notes that ‘crwnn’ means coagulated or frozen, and in Gallic, cronn has the same meaning; Murchroinn equals ‘icy sea’. It seems that there is no argument, these are Celtic words – apparently Gaulish Celt. There is even a hint here as to how long the Cimbri may have resided in the Baltic region. Latham, in a paper read at the Philological Society, 1844, stated that, Of Sallust and Cicero, the language points to Gall (p.clvi) meaning that the consensus of these scholars was that the Cimbrian language was similar to that spoken by the Celts in Gaul. In the Wikipedia entry for “Cimbri” the author says, it is at any rate more probable that the North Sea and the Baltic would be considered ‘dead’ and ‘frozen’ by Central Europeans than by Scandinavians living by and from the sea. This suggests that the Cimbri had a more recent rather than deep history of occupation in the region when Philemon wrote his geography (about 325 BC as we will see later). Other evidence as to the language spoken by the Cimbri can be seen in the actions of the Roman intelligence service of Marius, run by Sertorius, which sent spies who spoke Gaulish Celtic into the Cimbri camp in 101 BC. They were able to understand the language of the Cimbri so they could report back details of importance to their masters (Hubert, 1934).


The “Thraco – Cimmerian Hypothesis”: Perhaps it is time to pause and examine what
can only be termed controversial historical evidence that an Eastern Celtic group, part of
the Cimmerian – Scythian people, blasted onto the world stage in the 7th and 8th Centuries BC.
Some authors assert that the Cimbri left Jutland prior to the 8th Century and are the Cimmerians known to the peoples of Iran and Assyria having arrived via Thrace and settling in Crimea and adjacent regions – returning soon thereafter to their ancestral home in Jutland.

 
There has been a great deal written about this matter since the Cimmerians are associated
with the Biblical Gomer or Gomerians. The Cimmerians are first noted in 850 BC by
Homer, and by many Classical writers in subsequent years – including historians of the
stature of Herodotus (circa 450 BC). The latter provided a very clear perspective on the
peoples who he said lived to the north of the Black Sea, indicating information that the
Cimmerians became associated with the Thracians and merged with them, devastated a
good part of the Middle East and Asia Minor only to be chased off the worlds stage by
the Scythians and ultimately to disappear to the east and west. In “Empires of the Bible”
(1904) it is stated (and frequently so elsewhere), It will be remembered that in the
account of Gomer himself, it was stated (page 7) that when the Scythians, 650-600 BC,
dispossessed the Cimmerians of the country of the Ukraine, the Cimmerians went toward
the west, where we should find them again. We must now follow these onward. They took
possession of the country that is now northern Germany and Denmark, and afterward
accompanied their kindred of the children of Riphath in their invasions of Italy. The
Cimbri (for so the Cimmerii were then called) and the Gauls form the two branches of the
great Celtic race, and both are often referred to by Roman writers as Gauls.

1874 Written in Welsh the book called  Barddas Translated:


2013
9 Sep 2013
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2014

How got its name! , or non semitic settled here in 400BC Hidden
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Jul 15
What do you know of the who settled in Britain 400BC long before the Romans came? what do you know? if anything!
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or as its now known was settled by in 2700bc which couples it with the Now do U undestand?
Thats interesting. Any news about the who came to around 400BC when Ptolemy attacked the Levant. BeTrue
  
  Dec 16
Ancient Ancestors were 30,000 yrs of not cavemen! Know thy Self.

2015
  Jan 4
The government of , knew that came via INDUS valley, thats why they sent Kitcheners army to subdue that continent.

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